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Episode 40: What Are the Best Natural Ways to Boost Immunity? Expert Insights with Sylvie Beljanski

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Is your immune system fighting for you—or turning against you? 🎯

Dive deep with Sylvie Beljanski and Victor Dwyer as they reveal why “bad” cells grow out of control in cancer and why autoimmune diseases make your body attack itself. Discover the game-changing science behind plant extracts Pao Pereira and Rauwolfia Vomitoria, real strategies for boosting immunity during chemo and stress, and the overlooked power of emotions and self-love in fighting disease.

Learn how RNA fragments are being used to replenish bone marrow and the critical lifestyle changes that make a difference. Whether you’re battling cancer, supporting a loved one, or want to prevent disease, these evidence-based tips and practical advice are for you!
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Understanding Cancer and Autoimmune Diseases

Sylvie Beljanski: When you have cancer, your immune system will not identify bad cells as such and will allow them to grow. When you have autoimmune disease, the body will improperly identify good cells as bad and will attack them.

Introduction to The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show

Victor Dwyer: Welcome to today's episode of The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show. Today, we're honored to welcome back Sylvie Beljanski to discuss how a strong immune system protects our health and how modern lifestyles, emotions and self-love influence it. Sylvie will share insights on The Beljanski’s approach to plant-based breakthroughs like Pao Pereira, along with the science of RNA fragments that nourish bone marrow and boost immunity during chemotherapy and stress.

Join us for this evidence-based and healing focused conversation. Let's get started.

Meet Sylvie Beljanski: Her Journey and Mission

Victor Dwyer: Thank you so much for joining. So we're gonna be doing this episode a little bit different this time. I'm gonna be interviewing Sylvie and we're gonna be talking about the immune system natural support.

Sylvie, before we dive in too deep, tell the audience that haven't heard of you yet, tell 'em a little bit about who you are and how you got here. 

Sylvie Beljanski: Sure. My name is Sylvie Beljanski. I'm the president and founder of The Beljanski Foundation, which is a 501(c)(3) located in New York City. And for the past 30 years, we have been funding research on a holistic approach to cancer, and looking how some natural plant extracts can help support people suffering from cancer, help them go through the conventional treatments, avoid the toxicity and help support the immune system. I’m giving a number of conferences on different topics, all about cancer, all about immunity, all about holistic health. And I thought it would be interesting today to come up with a presentation that would be different and give you also some visual support because I think maybe that's missing from what we have done so far.

And I think it may add another dimension that you may appreciate. So, I actually, I would love to hear back from you and your comments on social media to, to know if you appreciate this format or if you like better, something else. 

The Importance of a Strong Immune System

Victor Dwyer: Cool. And then, first question for you, Sylvie, is “Why is a strong immune system essential and what modern lifestyle factors can actually weaken it?”

Sylvie Beljanski: Immune system is really at the core of our protection from the environment. There are two kinds of immunities. There is what is called the innate immunities. That's basically what you are born with. It includes your skin, which protects you from the environment and also the number of things you will react to immediately. But there is also the acquired immunity, which is kind of memory. Your body is presented with some invader, microbe, virus. You will have some, maybe, sickness by the first contact with this invader, this pathogen. It can be a very minimum sickness. That will be enough to create a memory. And as your immune system is capitalizing, makes this kind of memories, one after the other as you grow up, you will develop a stronger and stronger immune system.

That's why a baby who is walking around on his floor and putting everything to his or her mouth is actually building his or her future immune system because he's actually putting his body in contact with a number of pathogens which are on the carpet of the living room. And that's a normal way to grow immunity. And as long as it is the normal pathogens and the carpet of the living room, it is fine when you get some childhood diseases, you can be more sick of those pathogens.

The big question now is should you vaccinate or not? That's another question for another debate and another day, but definitely vaccination or acquiring the disease, the immunity through the disease are the two ways to grow the immune system. And once we have accumulated those memories, we will be stronger. So, we will be in some way immune when we meet the same pathogen again and/or other pathogens. The stronger we are, also, we will be less prone to infections, autoimmune disease and cancer.

To me, the autoimmune disease and cancer are the two sides of the same immune deficiency. When you have cancer, your immune system will not identify bad cells as such and will allow them to grow. When you have autoimmune disease, the body will improperly identify good cells as bad and will attack them, and auto destruct. That auto destruction that is linked to autoimmune disease. So, both cancer, autoimmune disease, it is impairment of the immune system. So, it is really important to be able to develop a good immune system. Again, you start doing that as a baby, basically since the time you are born.

Modern Lifestyle Factors Affecting Immunity

Sylvie Beljanski: But as we live in a very modern society, there are a lot of things in our environment that are sabotaging our immune system. And, I would say, there are two ways to sabotage the immune system since we are both body and mind. We can sabotage our immune system both through the body and through the mind.

And if you look at the next slide, which shows the liver, you see how our poor little liver is actually under siege on a daily basis by a number of attackers, pesticides, cleaning products, personal care products, air pollution, fresheners, alcohol, food additive, medication, water pollution, you name it.

All those things are invading our body, have to be filtered by our liver, which is naturally the big filter of our organism. And then the liver has to painstakingly, has to put the good things to the blood, attract the bad things from the blood, and they do that again and again.

Then the more bad things they are, the more exhausting it is for the liver. So, really we have to understand what is bad in our environment and try to educate ourselves with that regard and try to eliminate that. 

The Role of Emotions in Immune Health

Sylvie Beljanski: The other way we weaken our immune system is really through the minds and our emotions. Also another way, very effective, I have to say, to destroy our immune system.

There is an interesting study that was done where some people were hooked to some computer and they were shown some movies or some pictures that would create different kinds of emotions.

This research was meant to really map the emotions in the body. And if you go to the next one, you will see that some emotions like pride, love, happiness, you see how they are able to illuminate really the body, creates some warmth that actually transform, is shown as light and illuminate modifies the body. On the opposite, you can see that some emotions like depression, sadness, shame, the body turns dark or a dark light that is completely different from the bright light that was associated with happy emotions. And, actually, a number of scientists now have really linked the emotions to physical changes in the body. A change of emotion equals physical change because the emotions induce and we can see a cascade of physical changes that will transform really the chemicals and the chemical balance of our body. 

Dr. Hamer's Research on Trauma and Cancer

Sylvie Beljanski: There was a doctor in the 20th century, Dr. Hamer. He was a German oncologist and he made the link between some kind of trauma and what kind of cancer you will eventually develop. Himself, he had his own son who was shot and, in the following months, he developed cancer of the testis and that led him to study on a number, large number of cancer patients if there was, has been some kind of emotions in their life that has been major stress between what they had lived and the link with the organ that has been affected with cancer.

And he really was able to make a map also of a linking what kind of emotion with what kind of organ was addressed and the doctor, Dr., neuroscientific, Candance B. Pert wrote, “We can no longer think of the emotions as having less validity than physical substance, but instead must see them as cellular signals that are involved in the process of translating information into physical reality, literally transforming mind into matter. Emotions are at the nexus between matter and mind.” So, when we develop scientific bad emotions, negative thoughts, we are transforming this into matter that is going to make us sick.

And if you look at the next slide, you will see that there have been studies showing, actually, that the chronic stress that can be linked, for example, after losing somebody dear has also been linked to the development of tumor growth and promote cancer development that has been documented now in multiple ways.

Supporting the Immune System Naturally

Sylvie Beljanski: But, what can we do to support the immune system? There are a number of things that we can do like trying to sleep better, avoid chronic stress. This is easier said than done, especially when you are under high stress. You can try to eat a balanced diet. You can try to avoid the pollutants.

It's still, when you are under the high stress, you tend to, it is very well known, you tend to self-sabotage and that's a time where you do not eat properly. You have go into some binge eating. People use things like alcohol to evade the stress. All those things make the situation worse.

I thought it would be important to educate people on a different approach developed by my father to learn about natural ways to improve and support the immune system. 

Victor Dwyer: Yeah, exactly. I also wanted to touch on to the point about why self-love is an important form of medicine. I know you talked about the emotional influence, but why is self-love so important and why is it a form of medicine? 

Sylvie Beljanski: Because understanding how all those negative sources can affect yourself and taking care of nurturing positive thoughts, making the proper choices, choosing to really center on yourself and try to meditate and find ways to find peace and take good care of yourself, which is self-love, will actually be transformative.

Victor Dwyer: Yeah. Yeah. 

The Science Behind RNA Fragments

Victor Dwyer: And, “How do RNA fragments nourish the bone marrow and enhance immune defenses, particularly in patients undergoing chemotherapy or experiencing stress-related immune suppression? Love to understand that a little bit. 

Sylvie Beljanski: So, my father came up with this strategy which is about fortifying the immune system and also a fight of attacks on the immune system.

My father Dr. Mirko Beljanski was a PhD in molecular biology at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, France. He had very innovative and different approach to cancer, to the immune system, and he really developed this unique approach and unique products that led to this approach.

You mentioned the RNA fragment. This is really an innovative way to fortify your immune system naturally. My father started with the observation that the immune system, which is made of various number of cells, organs, proteins, the core of the immune system lays into the blood cells or the white blood cells and platelets.

If you go to the next slide, you will see that, naturally, what happens is that the nutrients of what we eat is absorbed in the bodies whose intestinal lining and if you eat a lot of toxins, that will create inflammation. But if you eat good nutrients they will be absorbed by the blood.

The blood will take that to the bone marrow, and the bone marrow is going to create all the leukocytes, all the white blood cells that are necessary to be the army, really, that creates your immune system. Each of those subpopulation of white blood cells has its own role to play in this army of defense. One will fight parasites. One will fight viruses. One will recognize some other pathogens. Some will help to control viral infection. Each one has a role to play. Then you have also the platelets, which are another category of blood cells, and helps the blood to clot that you need. Otherwise, if you cut yourself, you will bleed forever, if you do not clot properly.

So, that's really the core of our immune system. Unfortunately, when there is chemotherapy, for example, a lot of cancer cells are killed. But also the collateral damage is, and you can look at the next slide, the collateral damage are really the blood cells.

Red cells, they live about 100 to 120 days, so they are not that much affected. But the white blood cells, again, which are really the core of the immune system, they only live for two days, so they need to be replaced every day. And if you damage the lining of the gut with toxic products like chemotherapy, your body is not going to be able to create a new generation of white blood cells, then you don't have this army to protect you against everything else, and you have a very weak immune system. The platelets, they live about 10 days.

So, my father had the idea to shorten this long process, which goes from the lining of the intestinal absorption through the blood and then the bone marrow and so on.

He came up with little RNA fragments, which are really specific of the DNA of the bone marrow, of the synthesis of the DNA of the bone marrow and help this bone marrow to do its job which is to create the army of white blood cells and platelets.

And those little RNA fragments come from a bacteria which is naturally present in the intestine. It's called E. coli K12. It's not pathogenic. It has nothing to do with E. coli infections you hear about from time to time. This is a completely, K12 is totally safe and well known.

And those little fragments are called dietary nucleotides. So, it's really a nutritional approach to support the bone marrow. It's really giving to the bone marrow the food it needs when the body is not able to do the long cycle from starting with the colon.

The next one, my father tested in laboratory, you can see here on the left, in laboratory in pink, you have the normal rate of synthesis of the bone marrow without the RNA fragments. But when you add the RNA fragments, you can see that it's much, much higher, the rate of synthesis.

And my father tested the product on rabbits. You have two groups of rabbits. They all receive a very nasty, a very aggressive kind of chemotherapy. And in red, all the rabbits which only receive the chemotherapy, all of them died within 10 days. But the rabbits which received the chemotherapy, of course, the number of their leukocytes, of their white blood cells go down every time that they receive this very nasty cycle of chemotherapy.

But every time they receive the RNA fragments, it goes up and up and up and up again. And at the end of the experiment, all the rabbits were still alive.

My father got involved with the French Army back, it was, we are speaking here of the 80s. There was a lot of interest at the time in radio protection, and

they were interested in studying this product, and they tested the product to look at natural killers and they concluded that the stimulation of natural killer cells, which are really those cells of the immune system that are able to recognize almost everything, the cells were stimulated 150% in 24 hours compared to control, which is very important here is they are stimulated. So, it's not too much cells created, which always remains physiological. But they are, here, in high alert. If there is anything that needs to be destroyed, they won't miss it. They will destroy it. So, they are supernatural defenders ready to destroy any invader coming their way. 

Clinical Trials and Real-World Applications

Sylvie Beljanski: Fast forward 25, 30 years, we were able to have a clinical trial at Cancer Treatment Centers of America. They have a large population of patients receiving cancer treatment and they give a lot of chemotherapy.

They know that the patients, their bone marrow as they start with a number of platelets, those cells again, which help the blood to clot, and after a round of chemotherapy, their bone marrow gets damaged and is not able to create enough platelets.

And when there is not enough platelets, then there is a disease called thrombocytopenia where people bleed so much that the oncologist has to stop the treatment, cannot continue to give chemotherapy, and then the cancer keeps growing. So, they were very interested at Cancer Treatment Centers of America to try my father's little fragments of RNA to see if that could help their patients avoid the development of thrombocytopenia.

So, we had a clinical trial, the patients were, when we started with them, they had already been heavily pretreated with numerous rounds of chemotherapy. Some had metastatic disease in the bone marrow. They had all bone marrow damage due to prior treatment, so they were really in bad shape.

And you can see the, go to the next one. They had different kinds of cancer: pancreas, head, neck, breast, colon, esophagus, lung. They were different kinds of cancer, different kind of chemotherapy including metastasis to the bone marrow.

But none of them technically had thrombocytopenia because we could not have done that. I mean, with dietary supplement, treat a disease. So, they were at the limit, and the goal was to see if we could prevent them to develop thrombocytopenia, but they were all expected to develop thrombocytopenia.

And if you see what happened with the patients, you go to the next one. You will see, for example, what happened here with this patient who started with almost a little bit on the 100 platelets per milliliter in his blood. And, of course, went even lower as soon as he received the chemotherapy. Every little red dot is when they receive the RNA fragments. And you can see immediately the bone marrow going back to work and the number of platelets going up.

So, every time there is a chemotherapy, it's going down, but every time, thanks to the RNA Fragment, is going up and up again. So, we started giving them 20 milligram of RNA fragments, no side effect, very well received. We went up to 40 milligram, no side effect, very well received. 60 milligram. 80 milligrams, always no side effect, no toxicity. The platelet levels recovered quickly following the nadir, meaning the low lowest point, no planned dose reduction of chemotherapy, no need for any platelet transfusion, and the patient was able to complete the cycle of chemotherapy as planned by the oncologist.

If you go to the next one. The next one is a very interesting one because, again, you see the same thing again because the number of platelets going up and up and up with very lovely recovery after each round of chemotherapy. But, at some point, we stopped giving to that person the RNA fragments, and you can see that the bone marrow acted like if it was the first cycle. It had been protected during all this time where they had several rounds of chemotherapy, but it was not damaged and it was able to react like if it was the first round of chemotherapy. So, the patient was totally protected from thrombocytopenia. And the recovery, again, was very beautifully, and in normal limits, not affected at all.

You can see the, at the next one, the publications that resulted from this clinical trial. And all our publications are available on the website of the foundation, beljanski.org. And this clinical trial confirmed that there was no side effect. None of the patients taking Dr. Beljanski's RNA Fragments had to lower the dose of their chemotherapies.

The RNA fragments appear to accelerate the recovery and platelet counts, and the RNA fragments appear to stabilize or elevate the platelet numbers at the nadir. That was very well received.

There is an extra bonus with this little product and if the platelets allow for the storage of serotonin. Serotonin is the hormone that keeps us happy. It's called the hormone of happiness. So, when you destroy the platelets through chemotherapy, you destroy the storage for serotonin and therefore people get depressed.

So, if you maintain a decent amount of platelets, you will also allow the patient to store serotonin and be very much less depressed. And again, I found here a beautiful example of the body, mind, body connection and how supporting the body helps support the mind and vice versa. 

Victor Dwyer: That's beautiful. Yeah. 

The Power of Pao Pereira

Victor Dwyer: When it comes down to it, “What else, do you think, scientific evidence supports Pao Pereira's role in selectively targeting abnormal cells while protecting the healthy ones and modulating inflammation?” I know you probably covered it a little bit, but anything else you would say on that?

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The Power of Pao Pereira (continuation)

Sylvie Beljanski: So the Pao Pereira is the Step 2.

So, the first one we just spoke about was to fortify the immune system naturally. So, you do that with the RNA fragments that is going to support your bone marrow to do basically its job. The second step is to fight off attacks on the immune system. And for that, my father perfected, again, a very unique and innovative approach, which is the extract of Pao Pereira.

He started with that by the observation that there is a difference between the DNA of a normal cell and the DNA of cancerous cell. In a normal cell, what is known as the famous double helix is exhibiting two strands of the DNA, which are nicely interwoven and kept together with hydrogen bones.

My father observed that whatever the species, humans, animals, plants, whenever a cell becomes abnormal and cancerous, the hydrogen bonds break and the two strands of the DNA are not kept together. So, my father looked for natural solutions, and he found this plant extract of Pao Pereira, that would selectively recognize this difference and bind to those cells whose DNA is widely open because the hydrogen bonds have broken and will prevent the duplication of those abnormal cells.

So, Pao Pereira is a tree that grows in the Amazon rainforest. So, my father was really at the forefront of natural stuff back already in the 80s when it was not fashionable at all.

It's highly sustainable because you only use the bark of the tree. You don't need to cut the tree, and it provides an economy, a sustainable economy also to local people who get an incentive then to take care of their trees in the Amazon rainforest, instead of burning the Amazon and destroying it.

It's all good. It's all good. And despite that, my father was really good at the time to, say, put it nicely, for this approach. And it's only now, 30 years later that his work is really recognized and validated. This work is absolutely beautiful, and that's why I decided to really give my life to this legacy, supporting this legacy.

If you go to the next one, you see how the Pao Pereira, which happened to be naturally fluorescent, surrounds a healthy cell. Here, astrocyte, it's a cell from the brain. It surrounds it, it never penetrates it. And when you have cancerous cell here in the brain, the glioblastoma, you can see the light of this naturally fluorescent plant extract has really been able to penetrate the nucleus and the nuclei of those cancerous cells.

It's even more visible on the UV light. If you click, you will see UV light. You see how this luminescence, this fluorescence is really targeting those cancerous cells.

It's not going anywhere else, meaning if you do not have cancerous cell, you are going to eliminate the product into a matter of hours without toxicity, without side effects. But if you have cancerous cell, it will really replace your immune system, if your immune system doesn't do its job properly.

Go to the next one. Here on the left, you have the immune system. It should be able to check a normal cell, recognize if there is a damage or not damage. If there is no damage, allow normal growth. If there is a damage, kill the cell. But, if you have a failing immune system, you are going to have a failed checkpoint.

The immune system is not going to be able to recognize the cancer cell, but Pao Pereira will do, and Pao Pereira, instead of your immune system, will induce apoptosis, meaning the death of this cancerous cell. So, it's kind of insurance policy, I would say. 

Victor Dwyer: Amazing. Amazing. “Is there anything that we can be doing, like, on a daily basis?”

Sylvie Beljanski: So, we have been, with The Beljanski Foundation, we have tested this Pao Pereira on different kinds of cancers because, again, it's recognized cancerous cells wherever they're located. So, we were able to work on ovarian, colorectal, pancreatic cancer and show that we had suppression of tumor growth in animals by 79%.

And when you add a synergy with chemotherapy, the tumor inhibition reaches 97% without any other toxicity. So, that's a very nice way where a natural treatment can work holistically together with chemotherapy. What we saw, also, that we were able to work at different stages of cancer from inflammation to full-blown cancer, to advanced cancers that do not respond to hormonal treatment anymore.

And also the next one, we saw that Pao Pereira was able to have different mechanisms of action work in different ways to kill those cancer cells at different stages. And the latest we have been doing is that it works also at destroying cancer stem cells. Cancer stem cells are those cells which resist chemotherapy, able to stay in the body for sometimes a long time and, eventually, create a tumor relapse. And we were very eager to test is this little plant extract, which is able to do so much, is also able to destroy, recognize cancer stem cells.

So, we did the research on pancreatic cancer stem cells. And you can see here in vitro, this total destruction of cancer stem cells. They have completely disappeared between 50 micrograms per milliliter and 100. Then, we went of course in vivo in mice and here is a publication saying that the cancer stem cells were inhibited, thanks to the Pao Pereira.

The latest we have done is for research on breast cancer because breast cancer recurrence rate is 15% to 20% within 10 years of initial diagnosis. There are a lot of breast cancer. That's the first cause of death in cancer for women.

Having cancer is a terrible experience. And then 10 years later, cancer comes back. It's absolutely horrible. So, we have been testing those little plant extsract also, and breast cancer stem cells. And in mice that had received breast cancer stem cells, the control group, which has only received the breast cancer stem cells, they're developing metastasis through the roof.

But when you add the Beljanski extract Pao Pereira, then zero metastasis. Zero metastasis. And that was absolutely beautiful. The best thing, very quickly, I would like to mention is that Pao Pereira has also an antiviral.

The mice were grafted with those very nasty breast cancer stem cells, and the control group developed a huge metastasis, but the mice who received both the nasty breast cancer stem cells and the Pao Pereira extract, none of them developed a metastasis, so we were very happy with that. The publication is in the works and will soon be available at beljanski.org.

What is important also to know with Pao Pereira is that it also has antiviral properties. You see here by tobacco virus which has been infected with tobacco mosaic virus, but the lower part of the leaf has been protected with Pao Pereira. So, you can see that the top of the leaf has been eaten up by the virus, but the lower part is totally protected. 

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Sylvie Beljanski: In conclusion, I would like to say that we do have some kind of control on our immune system, externally and internally. And that's the next one. We can make some choices. First, to take those extracts that can help fight cancer, fight viruses, protect against relapse, protect against burn, support the immune system in different ways.

And we can also, on a daily basis, that's a final one, think of our health as like a wall of brick where everything counts. First, we have to remove everything that make us sick. That, I mean, sounds like common sense, but we keep burdening, again, our liver with bad stuff.

We have to nourish properly our, this body, with the good diets, the proper multivitamins. We can use those plant extracts — Pao Pereira, Rauwolfia, Ginkgo, ReaLBuild® — that help support the immune system, then there is a lifestyle. And then there is of course where we come with, you know, apps for anxiety support, the elimination, all those things that are part of what make us a healthy person with a stronger immune system.

I want to thank everybody for attending this presentation and, if you are interested in learning more about this research and about my father, today we are giving away the audio book of Winning The War on Cancer.

If you use the code GCUK25, you will receive my audio book which tells you  more about how my father made those discoveries, how we started the foundation here in the States. And also, the book includes a lot of protocols that were given to us by Dr. Marcowith to fight different kinds of cancer. Go ahead, and it's free today. 

Victor Dwyer: Amazing. Thank you so much, Sylvie. You did a great job telling the audience, everyone about Pao Pereira, and all the intricacies of immunity. There's just a lot there. Our immune system is a very complex creature. It's like it really is a being by itself. And, so thank you so much for going through the entire thing with us. We really appreciate it. 

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah. Yes. It's a very unique approach. I know it may be a little bit long, but it is so different from what you hear everywhere else and a little bit different.

People say, “Oh, take vitamins, sleep…” and so on, but it's a little bit, I mean, there is more. 

Victor Dwyer: Thank you so much for joining, Sylvie, and thank you for everyone that has been listening up to this point. This is The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show, and we'll catch you next time.

Thank you.



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