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Episode 28 - Healing Cancer from Within: A Comprehensive Approach to Treatment with Dr. Thomas Lodi

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Looking for natural, science-backed ways to fight cancer?

In this episode, we welcome Dr. Thomas Lodi, a pioneer in integrative cancer treatment with over 35 years of experience helping patients heal using both conventional and alternative therapies.

Key Topics in This Episode:
🔹 What is integrative cancer treatment? How combining conventional medicine with holistic approaches improves outcomes.
🔹 The role of the tumor microenvironment—why cancer doesn’t develop in isolation and how to create a healing-friendly body.
🔹 Toxicity and detoxification—how removing environmental toxins supports cancer recovery.
🔹 Biological dentistry & cancer prevention—the hidden connection between oral health and disease.
🔹 Cancer as a defense mechanism—Dr. Lodi’s groundbreaking perspective on why cancer develops and how lifestyle shifts can make a difference.
🔹 The power of nutrition, sleep, and stress management in preventing and reversing disease.
🔹 Exclusive preview of the Beljanski Integrative Cancer Conference in Texas—insights, expert speakers, and how you can attend.

👉 Who should watch this episode?
✔️ Cancer patients looking for comprehensive, non-toxic treatment options.
✔️ Caregivers seeking alternative ways to support a loved one’s healing journey.
✔️ Health professionals interested in functional and integrative medicine.

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Introduction to Tumor Challenges

Dr. Thomas Lodi: If someone's tumors are not going away, one or both of two things have happened—we either haven't gotten rid of all the toxicities or we need to fix... the tumor microenvironment is completely destroying the immune system.

Introducing Dr. Thomas Lodi

Victor Dwyer: Hey, everyone! Welcome to today's episode of The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show.

Today, we're joined by Dr. Thomas Lodi, a pioneer in integrative cancer care with over 35 years of experience. In 2005, he founded An Oasis of Healing in Mesa, Arizona, where he developed a groundbreaking approach that blends the best of the conventional and alternative therapies.

Dr. Lodi is on a mission to help people take care of their health, prevent disease, and eliminate cancer. And today he's here to share his insights on how you can live healthier, cancer-free lives.

Sylvie Beljanski: Dr. Lodi, thank you for joining us today at The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show. You are a busy man. You are the founder of Oasis of Healing. You have a course called Stop Making Cancer. You have your own podcast and you are going to join us in April in Texas at The Beljanski Integrative Cancer Conference.

You graced us with your presence last year, and I remember, there were scores of people following you in the corridors to ask for more questions. What are you planning to speak about in Texas in April? 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Honestly, I haven't quite put it together because I feel like I'm still a first year student. I'm always studying and learning, so I'm always uncovering and I'm getting into areas that no one knows. And I'm exploring. 

Dr. Lodi's Insights on Tumor Microenvironment

Dr. Thomas Lodi: You know what, recently, what I've been, not recently, I guess last year or so, what I've really been interested in is I just realized that this, if someone's tumors are not going away, like they're not progressive, they're just sitting there or they're growing—one or both of two things have happened: we either haven't gotten rid of all the toxicity, and or we need to fix, the tumor microenvironment is completely destroying the immune system. The immune system gets in there ready to take a bite outta that tumor, and it gets turned into what they call tumor associated macrophage, it starts working for the tumor.

If we don't change that, the toxicities are continuing to make it. So anyway, so my goal has been to how are we gonna affect that tumor microenvironment, how can we turn it around? 'Cause it's really simple. It's just a high acid, low oxygen environment, but it's right in this one spot, not the rest of the body.

How do we get there? That's what I've been working on. So, I think I'm gonna talk about that because I think it's an area that if we don't address, we'll never get beyond where we are with. It doesn't matter how good the therapies are, because in the end, the immune system gets trampled on, you can't win. 

Sylvie Beljanski: In other words you are going to speak about the ways how the tumor is addressed, right?

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah.

Sylvie Beljanski: I’m trying to understand

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah, like when you get to a point when people that have worked with, treated people with cancer, you get to a point a lot of times where no matter what you do, you hit a wall, you hit a dead end. And we've all seen that. We've all seen that. And why did that happen? 'Cause that's the question I always wondered why. If someone's doing good and then they, all of a sudden, they're not doing good, what happened?

This is what happens. And the reason I know that, let me give you really one good example. 

Case Study: Surgical Oncologist with Glioblastoma

Dr. Thomas Lodi: I had a surgical oncologist who sent me a email saying, “Listen I'm a surgical oncologist. I have a glioblastoma. I've had two surgeries and two rounds of radiation and it's coming back.”

He says, “I know my prognosis.” He said, “I saw an interview with you and I'm just wondering, can you help me?” So, we had him out and found that he had like a titanium implants and four root canals. So, I said that's where we gotta start. He went to a, it was not the one I would've recommended, but he went to a biological dentist who did the work. We did what we do, which is always the same, metabolic therapies that are not toxic, and then IPT when we need to. With him, we didn't do that. It went away. It was like almost gone. His wife was also a surgical oncologist. She said, she sent me a, an email said, “That's unbelievable. We've never seen this.” She goes, “It's almost undetectable.” Then it started to grow back again, so they were freaked out. And I said, “Don't worry, we just gotta find out what is still causing that toxicity.” So, I sent him to the biological dentist that I recommend. She's a Russian woman. Amazing. And she went there. She found out that they had used cadaver bone in the original… 

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah, it's very common, yeah.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: And that was it. And she had, she said it was a long surgery. She finally got it cleaned down and now it's gone. It’s gone. So I see, here's the situation where we're missing the toxicity.

We were missing, so whatever was speeding and I think we don't look for that. What I've seen even in the integrative world, coming back, we're looking for a bigger hammer. We've gotta get a bigger hammer. We gotta really knock this thing up. No, we gotta pull the plug on it, so this doesn't do it, 

The Role of Biological Dentistry

Victor Dwyer: And what is a biological dentist? 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah. I, like, I usually take out the word, the prefix bio, just call 'em logical, the logical dentist. For example, we know that Asian Chinese knew about the meridians, how the teeth were connected to the different organs, and, by the way, if I didn't know this was true before I give you, I had a woman in New York who had a, I was in Long Island. She had a right-sided inflammatory breast cancer. Those just move really quickly. So, she was gonna go to Sloan Kettering for a trial. I said, that means that's a euphemism for experiment.

You're gonna go be in for an experiment. And she said, that's a, I said, alright. So, I examined her and I found out she had a root canal on her breast meridian on that side. So, we gotta take care of this first. So, she went to a bi, a real biological dentist. He did what he should do. Six weeks later, she went for the trial at Sloan Kettering and they said, “I'm sorry, you're no longer eligible.” 

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: That's how profound it is. So, a biological dentist will notice that. When a regular dentist does an extraction, they pull out the tooth, they squirt it with water, they give you some gauze and they say, go home. They leave in the period of the ligament and that is like a bridge for the microorganisms.

So they leave that in, they don't seal it off. The person goes home and as the gums are closing over, that is completely filled with microorganisms who crawl through that ligament into the jawbone, and they produce, it's called fatty degeneration osteonecrosis, or commonly known as a cavitation, which gets full of these microorganisms and all along that meridian problem.

That's what they do. They do that. They do testing, they test your blood for biocompatibility. So, there are over 6,000 dental materials. And so, even though something might be fine for 99% of the people, for you, you might have a reaction to it. So, they make sure that anything that I'm put in your mouth is not gonna cause a chronic low grade inflammatory response.

And they don't use any metals. And they don't put root canals in and they clean all cavitations. They look at tongue placement, they look at airway, they look at cranial bones 'cause the cranial bones are often misaligned. And that affects your bite and your TMJ, which serves as C1.

It's the top of your, so they're more like head physicians than dentists. You know what I mean? They're, they, it's amazing. And they use ozone and so forth. So, what they would do is they would take out that root canal, and when you send that off for DNA, you wouldn't believe these things that are in there, but they take that out, then they get the periodontal ligament, then they use ozonated water to irrigate it.

Then they take ozone gas and they push it in pretty hard because it has to go up into the trabeculae of the bone to make sure all the microorganisms in the bone are gone. Then they've already taken your blood, they spin it and at the top it's your platelet rich fibrin and they use that to seal it so that you don't get recolonized.

So it's logical, it's kinda logical dentistry. And that's what they do. And they have an international organization. It's called I-A-O-M-T, International Alliance of something and medical tech, medical toxicology, it's really, it's very impressive. And if you work with a good one you'll never be able to practice medicine in any field without looking at the mouth.

It's that profound. Yeah. 

Victor Dwyer: So, do you recommend that, like obviously for a normal dentist cleaning, you probably go to your normal dentist, but, if you had something major, you would go to one of these guys. And you have to fly to wherever that is in the world, 'cause I assume there's not very many biological dentists out there, I would assume.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Actually, actually, it's growing and we're getting, we're gathering a list, but almost every state has them now. And they, the organization, like their annual meetings are getting really big. And the interesting thing is that their organization is not just dentists, it's also physicians.

So it's, I think it is, it's an amazing thing. 'cause I give a lecture on biological dentistry and my big question is, when did the mouth leave the body? How did we wind up with two professions?

Sylvie Beljanski: Absolutely. Absolutely. It's a specialty, but it's part of being a doctor to address all the organs of the body. Absolutely. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah. It's crazy. And then, and when you look at the relationship between the, 80%, this is, this is research, 80% of systemic illnesses are not just related to the mouth, but they have their origin there.

Historical Perspective on Oral Health

Dr. Thomas Lodi: So we're finding the organ, like when they look at skulls, 11,000 years old, they have all their teeth. At 10,000 years ago, they started losing their teeth. What happened? We started farming. We started farming, and we changed our microflora, our oral microflora. And they know that because, those plaques, they preserved the microorganisms so they can tell what the flora, the oral flora was. So the oral flora of the person, of the human, before we started farming and having these, all these carbs was they had all their teeth and, and then we started losing their teeth. The second big revolution was at 8, around 1880. And then we went into processed foods, and that really changed it. But we now see that those microorganisms are related to colon cancer, related to heart disease, breast.

And now we're finding that with each cancer, there's a specific dysbiosis. Like, the dysbiosis in a breast cancer will not be the same dysbiosis in a pancreatic cancer. It's very interesting. I can even envision doing fecal transplants to some degree because we do that with all ulcerative colitis, right? You can get rid of ulcerative colitis with doing a fecal transplant.

So, we have to be aware of that and cleaning. I didn't know until I started studying it that one of the biggest disabilities in the world is edentulism, having no teeth. I think the statistic is when people in the world, on the average, reach the age of 60 or 65, they've lost 13 teeth, and that's crazy.

So, when you lose, if you lose all your teeth, that's called edentulism. Now you can't bite down and the World Health Organization actually considers it a disability 'cause you can't speak and you can't eat. So, it's a disability. But we didn't realize that, we don't realize that our bite affects the cranial blood flow.

And what's associated with loss of teeth is dementia, so we've gotta bring it back. And if you think about it, the mouth, what, maybe 30% of our breathing is through the mouth. 30-40% of our breathing, we eat, we speak, we shout vulgarities, and we whisper intimacies.

It was, it's probably the most human thing about us, and we ignore it. You know the exam, when I learned to do a physical exam in medical school, it's the H-E-E-N-T, head, ear, nose, and throat. What about the mouth? It should have been H-E-E-M. It's here. We forgot the mouth. So anyway, it's crazy, but yeah, it's a big deal.

Dr. Lodi's Journey into Integrative Medicine

Sylvie Beljanski: How did you get into integrative medicine? I assume that all young doctors when getting out of medical school, at the time there was not even such a thing as integrative medicine. So, how did you get there? 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah, it didn't exist at that point. Actually, I had a circuitous route. At 19 I dropped out of, I was at UCLA, I dropped out. I didn't wanna do anything in the Western world. Nothing attracted me. So, I went off to India and I lived on an Ashram for two years. And I bought a one-way ticket, by the way. So, that's a big deal.

You have to realize, that's kinda like when you commit. I bought a one-way ticket. I wasn't coming back. So, even though I did, so anyway, I wound up back in America and went and studied psychology. Became a clinical psychologist and I was practicing psychology for a few years until I kept running into the, where I didn't know, I couldn't answer, I couldn't understand someone 'cause I didn't understand physiology, pathology, I didn't understand the effect of pharmaceuticals.

So there was all that, that was lacking. So I said I went to medical school not to be a doctor. I went to medical school to round out my ability to help people. So, then I went to medical school and I had already been reading Herbert M. Shelton who's, he's a, he's an old school naturopath and brilliant. Amazing. 

There's a book, if you guys should read, it's an old book of his, it's caused me 95 cents when I first bought it. It's called Health Through the Millions. Terrible name, but it is, it's got everything about being healthy. I was reading that.

So I already knew about eating. I already knew about that. I'd already done spirituality. I'd already worked with the mind, so then I went to medical school and, but I got sucked into it, I got sucked into that MD at ease nonsense. And when I finished, I started oncology. I finished internal medicine. Then I started in oncology fellowship.

And after about six months, I quit because I saw that we were killing people. I couldn't, I just I can't do this. So I left that. And then I just worked in ICUs and CCUs because we could do so. We either did it or we didn't, either died or we, so it was critical care. And that's where allopathic medicine is good.

If you have a broken leg, you don't go to the herbalist, right? If you've got a baby coming out feet first, you don't go to the, so I loved that. But then at the end, I started to see that, again, I was seeing the same people go through the ICUs with the same problems. And we weren't, I realized we weren't, what are we doing?

And that's when I quit. Oh, my uncle had, my uncle handed me a book. It's called Medical Miracle. It was written by William Campbell Douglass III, MD. He was like a fifth generation pediatrician and it was about hydrogen peroxide and the role that hydrogen peroxide plays in our metabolic, as an metabolic intermediate.

And it was written by Charles Farr, MD, PhD. So, I read the book and I realized, when I closed it, I said, I can no longer ethically practice conventional medicine 'cause I realized we had learned, the first and second years of medical school, how the body's built, put together, and then we learned the different pathologies and all that stuff.

Then when we go into the hospitals, they say, no, forget all that, this is what we do. So we, and then when I went for continuing medical education as a regular doctor, it was always about pharmaceuticals. The side effects of our, we forgot about physiology and biology. We weren't, we were no, but anyway, so I read Medical Miracle and I saw that you can't forget it.

I read the, he had dedicated the book to Charles Farr, MD, PhD. He said, to whom the world owes a great debt. He was nominated for the Nobel Prize in ‘92 for his work on hydrogen peroxide. He didn't get the Nobel Prize, but he was nominated.

So, when I closed my practice, I went and apprenticed with him for a few months. I learned what he learned and then I went around and I went to Japan. Spent a few months, I went to Mexico and I went all around. And when I felt like I had learned enough, I just went. Then I went back to New York in the, and started my, oh, my last person that I worked for was Robert Atkins and 

Sylvie Beljanski: in New York?

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah, in Manhattan. And so I had to. He liked me. He called me as heir apparent. I don't know. He, I, he didn't realize I was a closet vegetarian. I couldn't tell, I couldn't tell, every, every month you had to have di, breakfast with him, and each doctor had to do it privately because I guess he was, so, right across the street from the Atkins Center was a coffee shop and it's had the Atkins breakfast and it was like a cheese and sausage omelet with a side of bacon. Black coffee.

So, what I would do each time, I don't know how he believed it. I, each time I said, “Oh, I totally forgot I ate breakfast already.” He went for it. But yeah, but the reason is because he's one of the pioneers and he had a lot of knowledge, even though I don't agree with you on certain things, but he still, he had a lot and a lot.

So, I wanted to work there and learn as much as I could. That was the last thing. And then I actually, there's one other guy. I dunno if you've ever heard of him. He was in New York at that time. His name was  Pavel Yutsis. Did you know him? A Russian guy? No. 

Sylvie Beljanski: No. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: So I, and I worked with him a little while. And then I opened up my practice and started doing what I do now, but, so that, that's how I got the… 

Sylvie Beljanski: So, speaking of your practice now, what is different at Oasis of Healing? Why people should travel to Arizona to go there. 

The Philosophy of Oasis of Healing

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Okay. Because we cannot fragment the human being anymore. We have specialties, right? We have cardiologists, we have gastroenterologist, dentists. We fragmented the human being, but the truth is you cannot fragment them. For example, we talk about the cardiovascular system. There's no such thing, because without the lungs, the right side of the heart beats, pumps into the lung. The lung pumps it back or then it gets pumped back to the left side of the heart. So, you can't talk about the heart without the lungs, and you can't talk about any of them without the kidneys. So, in other words, it's one system, but we fragmented it. So, in addition to fragmenting the physical, we have fragmented the, our psychological or spiritual right, which we can't.

We can't because there's a field now called Psychoneuroimmunology and, basically, it's the effect of our mind on our immune system, and it's profound. So, if you're angry, afraid, sad, regretful, any of those things, we can, they have catheters in and they can di, it's a, directly suppresses natural killer function.

Natural killer cells, directly, and shuts down CD8s directly. And then we see the opposite. So they have, they, they get these meditators that have been meditating for decades. And they're good at it. They can get into that state right away, which is a state of no thinking. 

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah. There is a direct link to, between our emotions and body response. Absolutely. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: And the minute they go into that state, everything goes through the roof. So the point is, we can't ignore that, we just can't ignore it. 

What's different at Oasis is that I don't even like to call them patients. We call them students. 'cause the word patient sounds like they're a passive thing and we're gonna fix them or something, and that'. And the implicit relationship between a doctor and a patient is that Hey doc, here's my disease. Fix it. Okay, I'll fix it. And so the doctor is brilliant and the patient's stupid.

And that's the way it is. The doctor's gonna fix it, and there's nothing to be fixed because the body's always doing only one thing, what's necessary. It doesn't know how to do anything else. Nature only does what's necessary. It's not, and if I'm eating pasta, bread, potato, rice, and cake, my body will become insulin resistant to protect me. It's a homeostatic corrective response.

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: But I go to the House of Horrors and I meet one of the, the sorcerers with the long white coats, and they're gonna say, aha, you have a disease. It's called diabetes and we've gotta get rid of it.

There's no “it”. What are we talking about? There's no “it”. And so you can, I can take these poisons. What if I just stop eating the pasta and then my body doesn't need to do that adaptation? Wouldn't that make sense? So there are no diseases. That's the other thing, and that's what I think, and I'm an MD so that's what I think MD stands for actually is mythology doctor, because we're really good at, we know all the myths.

There's no hypertension. It's a thing. Is it a thing? Does it exist somewhere? Am I gonna catch it? Am I gonna get it? See, that the whole disease model came, it's a more, it morphed from the germ theory. Right? So the germ theory, which was doubtful, you know what really happened, posture and all that, but the germ theory, they're out there and they're gonna get us, and it's us against them. It's the old Westerns, John Wayne movie.

So, now the diseases are gonna get us. And do you know, when I was a kid, there was no Alzheimer's, there was no autism, there was no ADHD. Where'd they come from? Do we make 'em up? Do we make up these things? And we name it.

Understanding Lupus and Adaptive Responses

Dr. Thomas Lodi: If I wanna diagnose lupus, systemic lupus erythematosus. Okay. There's what, 18 different things that could happen. And all you gotta do is get like four of them, any four. What? It, so it's not a thing. So, really what I want people to understand, and I think doctors need to, they're the hardest, it's easier to get the patient to understand.

But, and that is, your body doesn't, there's no third party that got into you. Your body is doing what it's doing as an adaptive response to a situation where its biological needs are not being met. 

Sylvie Beljanski: Absolutely. To the environment and yeah, absolutely. Even cancer is kind of protection. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Exactly. That's what it is. It's an adaptive response. And if we see it that way, then we realize, now we have a, now we can come up with a strategy. 

Rethinking Cancer Terminology

Dr. Thomas Lodi: But, oh by the way, let me just say this right now 'cause it's very important. So I can actually stop using the word 'cause it hurts me to say cancer. Now have you ever tried to figure out what that word means?

The only thing, no matter how much research you, you come up with, you're gonna, you're gonna conclude that cancer means somebody who was born between June 20th and July 21st. Okay? There's no other meaning to it, right? So therefore, when we're talking and communicating, and we use words to convey information, it conveys no information, but it does convey one other thing, and that is it's become synonymous with death.

And so when you hear that word, what, someone just stole your future. It makes anything on your agenda becomes irrelevant. It puts you into a state of absolute fear. That word, and every time you hear it, if a person that has it is sitting at a restaurant and somebody behind them says the word, it's, they feel it.

That, again, directly suppresses their immune system. And it doesn't convey any information because what do you think of it? We don't know how we got it. It's genetic, it's, and it's just, it's horror. So what are those, what is, what are we talking about? 

The Science Behind Cancer Cells

Dr. Thomas Lodi: We're talking about cells. Otto Warburg found, discovered it. And now, Thomas Siegfried just picked up the ball there, but basically if you knock out 30% of the mitochondria, the cell has to change operating systems and go from oxidative phosphorylation to fermentation. Okay? Now, in order to do that, it's gonna have to silence this gene, silence this one, turn that one on.

It's gotta make all these changes so that it can survive because in ferment, fermentation, glycolysis, one glucose is only two ATPs, whereas with oxidative phosphorylation it's 38, so it's 19 times less sufficient. So, you need 19 times more fuel.

So if you look at all of what we call oncogenes, they're all there. Check 'em out. Everyone is there to enhance glycolysis. We upregulate insulin receptors, we upregulate the, an enzyme called glucco, beta-glucosidase. So, all these things are changed, P53 is that, all that stuff is done to support it, the ability to survive on glycolysis.

Sylvie Beljanski: Absolutely.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: So it's a, you be, it becomes a chronically fermenting cell once it makes all those changes. So, that's what I call it. Let's call it a CFC, a chronically fermenting cell. Let's not call it that name. That means nothing. Why don’t we, let's call it Sagittarius. Forget this cancer. We're gonna call it Sagittarius from now on. Or Leo, how about Leo? Whatever you wanna call it is, it's your name analysis. It's irrelevant. Unless we're conveying information, we're not communicating.

So, what I tell people is this, when you hear that word, it's gonna put you in fear. It's gonna make you feel like you're dead. You're dead already. And instead, if we talk about chronically fermenting cells, then you can say, “Oh, okay. Oh, now how did they get that way? Oh, okay.” So now you can actually develop a strategy, but, because you, 'cause you have something you could work with. It's a useful phrase and it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt for them to hear it, and it doesn't hurt for me to say it, right?

So when I use, when I don't even like to say the word, that other word. So, I'll say CFCs now that I've said that, so you guys. So we call it CFCs and, and that's what they are. And there we go. A linguistic. Linguistics, right? Don't use the word disease. There's no, what is a disease? Tell me, what a disease is.

Just like I don't use the, I don't I, the great hoax of 2020, I never called it a pandemic. It wasn't, it was a great hoax. And, and I can't call these things vaccines. They're not vaccines. In other words, if we use their words, and I'm talking about the Rockefeller allopathic world that we live in. If you use their words, then you're in their video game and you can't get out. You can't, you gotta use because you…

Sylvie Beljanski: You have to think out of the box. Absolutely. Yeah, and come up with something different. That's what, that's why we are doing at The Beljanski Foundation 

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The Science Behind Cancer Cells

Sylvie Beljanski: My, my late father, Dr. Mirko Beljanski was, has been coined as a Father of Green Medicine. He worked already back in the 60s at the Pasteur Institute on exactly what you were speaking about how some, some bacterias can transform themselves into a, ability to change their enzymes to survive on a petri dish.

And that's what led him to research some natural compounds that would be able to make the difference between the DNA of cancer cells and the DNA of healthy cells. He made the di, he made the observations that they are always different, and he found a number of compounds that are able to recognize cancer cells specifically.

So it's not specific to one cancer like, you know, allopathic drugs. It works on all cancer. And now The Beljanski Foundation is at the forefront of the research on cancer stem cells. Yes, this approach.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Did he, did your father find, did he identify the microorganisms, the bac, that were in the, that were a part of that?

Sylvie Beljanski: Yes, absolutely. I will send you the book that my father and my mother published where they speak about this discoveries this night at the Pasteur Institute where they forgot the pet dish, and they realized in the morning that it had mutated because of the enzymes. Absolutely. Absolutely. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: When I was at your institute back in 2000, early 2000s 'cause I was in New York and I remember going upstairs. It was an upstairs, it was, I don't, I forget what that was in New York. It was in the city of course, but I was gonna work.

There was a woman there, I was gonna work there and I don't know what ever happened, but I, anyway, I came across, I was given, or I was able, that had access to reading some of his work, your father's work and, and I, now I can't find it. I dunno what happened to it. It was amazing 'cause I know I'd say, I said this is great now.

So I put it away, so I could one day study it, and now I can't find it. But maybe this is, I didn't realize that about him because that's exactly what Rife found, microorganisms that do it. And then Weber, I don't, Dr. Weber at the, at the. Max von Pettenkofer Institute in Munich, they did the same thing.

They found these micro, they're nano-sized bacteria which we used to think can't exist, right? We thought bacteria were micro-sized, but these are nano-sized. And then in, in 1972, when they discovered that at the center, at the root of all atherosclerotic plaques in the arteries is the little bacteria, they call 'em CFMs, calcium forming microbes or something. But they're nano-sized bacteria that are the causative agent in atherosclerotic plaques. So cardiology is, now become an infectious disease. But because that was recognized, we know that there are nano-sized and you know what that means? That means we're missing out on a whole lot of stuff 'cause, and how do you kill those guys? So that's what your father was working on, right, was how to get rid of them? 

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah, absolutely. It was really at the Pasteur Institute in Paris back in the 60s, 70s.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Wow.

Sylvie Beljanski: It was the time of those big discoveries.

The School of Life: Teaching Healthy Living

Sylvie Beljanski: But back to you and your course. You said that you don't have patients, you have students, and you have a course called the Stop Making Cancer. So what is the course about? 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah. That was actually, that little course came up during the, the pandemic because people couldn't fly anymore and they were really stuck.

I'm in Thailand, so I was in Phuket, so they couldn't come to our center. So, I developed that course just so that they could stay at home. You learn to do all this stuff, and then if your physician is willing to collaborate with me, then we could, we can do it that way.

And that was the idea of that course. But prior to that, and what I've had for years is called the School of Life, and it's how to live. We never, we went to, you graduated high school, general education. Oh. Forgot to teach you how to live. 

So, we don't know when to go to sleep. We don't know why. Why should we go to bed early? We don't know what to eat. We don't know what food is. It's controversial. I'll tell you, there's no controversy between horses. They all pretty much agree on the same food and they've never had seminars on it. Same with dogs, stuff like that. We're the only ones that are arguing over what we should eat.

So we don't know how to live, we don't know that. So, the School of Life teaches it. So when the student comes in, there's that basic curriculum, introduction to your Earth suit. This is your Earth suit. This is how you get around on the planet, right? And you wanna keep it around and this is what it's made of and this is what it needs to be replaced, and we approach it from that point.

And then we teach them how to, what is food? Why do you go to sleep early? Why? Because we have 90 minute sleep cycles, we're diurnal. We teach them all that, and we have a practical part to it. So, they have a kitchen where they're learning how to prepare raw foods, uncooked foods, and we have someone in there who is, got a magical artistic ability to take whatever it is you like cooked and make it raw, a cook. So we had these people from Pakistan who didn't like our raw food because it was the American raw food, right? So they didn't like it. So she went and sat with 'em and said, “What? Tell me one of your favorite meals.” And then she goes, “Do you have a recipe?”

So she got, she got a recipe and I figured Biryani or something. She spent the whole weekend. She brought it back. And the woman who had breast cancer, she just goes, “Wow, I can eat that.” And so then she worked with her husband for the next two weekends just to make all their dishes.

And they learned how to make dishes that they loved healthy. And so that, 'cause if it doesn't taste good, what's gonna happen? If it doesn't taste good, you're gonna feel deprived. And if you feel deprived, that's gonna directly suppress the immune system, right? So, it's gotta taste good.

So anyway, we teach people how to prepare food. We teach people what food is. We teach them about meditation. We take them shopping, we, how, we teach 'em how to shop, we teach 'em how to read labels. We just, all that. And that's what, see, that's what's lacking. Anywhere else you go, they're gonna fix you. Even if it's an integrative, they're gonna fix you. You're wrong. Something's wrong with you. We're gonna fix you. Get in that chair, we're gonna fix you with this IV. Okay?

Now, that's one part of our program, which is the metabolic therapies to deal with the current tumors, but, how am I gonna stop the tumors from coming back? That's why you have to do all the stuff we do, which is cleansing, colon, hydrotherapy, lymphatic therapy, balancing hormones, meditation, sleep, all that stuff, working on relationships.

If you've got a bad relationship, if you've got an unhealthy relationship I don't tell people this, but I let them come to that conclusion that you have to tell, you that you have to tell the person, “Look, I love you, but I wanna live, so I'll talk to you in a year. We'll meet at that restaurant, we'll have, but I need a year to myself. I have to live.”

And when 'cause those are unhealthy rela, so anyway, that's that part. The second part of our program is what everyone else does. That's the IVs, vitamin C, and intravenous, curcumin, whatever it is. And then the third part of our program is waking up the immune system.

So, number one is stop making cancer by changing your bio, biochemistry. Number two, targeting and eliminate it, wliminating without harming the healthy cells. And then number three, waking up the immune system. And if you do all three, then you have a chance.

Now, but the conventional world goes to war against the tumor. And they're gonna kill that tumor regardless, whatever. And ah, so the patient lost. Yeah. So the patient's not doing well, it's not, really happy about being alive. It doesn't matter. We're here to kill that tumor. And, the battleground is the human body and all this, so that's that.

But the integrative world is not doing that, but that's all they're doing. Let's say they're using vitamin C, they're using ozone. They're using all these things, but they're not dealing with what the person's eating. You can't just say, “Listen, you really should change your diet.” That doesn't work. You've gotta give them the tools, you've gotta give them the experience, and you've gotta give them the knowledge.

Why should I change my diet? What do you mean? Or I've gotta change my sleep. Why should I go to bed early? I feel great. I went to bed 11, I wake up at 7. Okay. If you wanna age quickly, keep doing that. If you wanna make sure that you have, your premature aging program works, then keep it up. And if you really wanna do it, eat about an hour before you go to bed, then you're guaranteed to age and get sick quickly.

So we don't know that, right? We don't know that. So anyway, that's where, that's why we're different. Because I don't teach you how to stop making cancer, then what did I do? What did I do? I made some money. You got a couple, maybe, got a year or two. And you're gonna go back. It's like, imagine you had a person with lung cancer who smokes and you don't tell 'em they could smoke, right? Is it ethical? Is it ethical? 

Sylvie Beljanski: Absolutely. Absolutely. That's what matches pretty well what I used, speaking about, when I present the research that we are conducting at The Beljanski Foundation. I always tell people everything we are doing. Our little plant extracts are going to give you time, but big question is, what are you doing with beautiful this time?

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Beautiful. That’s beautiful. 

Sylvie Beljanski: Absolutely. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: I would. No I, just as an aside, I would, I really love to learn more about what you're doing there because I, I'd, it sounds like I would love to use it, so it sounds, there's nobody, I don't know of anybody else who's doing that kind of work, and I love it.

Sylvie Beljanski: No, nobody. That's why somebody had to do it.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah.

Sylvie Beljanski: When my father was destroyed by the French government, there was no, somebody had to roll up the sleeves and say, okay, I'm going to take on the establishment and carry on this legacy because it, cannot let that disappear.

The Inner Circle: Community and Education

Sylvie Beljanski: Getting back to you, you have a gift, right, for, for the listeners? I understand that you have an Inner Circle. Sounds magic. Can you tell us more about that? 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah. I've been doing these Sunday night live. It's 2, 2 hours of live just answering questions and the people sent, would send the questions in and then I would answer them during that 2 hours. And it had, I had a really pretty large audience until social medias, like, they completely canceled me on TikTok. They just erased me. I had 120,000 people who were active and they just took it out.

And, they said, I, you know what they said I was doing? The first video they took down was this, they said I was violating community standards. I said, I've gotten a lot of questions about parasites, so I, I've made a webinar on it, so I'll explain it. They took that down. The second video they took down was the health benefits of Propolis, Bee Pollen.

So I, you gotta realize, TikTok, which has people with purple noses and penises coming out of their head, that's fine, but I can't talk about Bee Pollen. So, obviously, they don't like me for some reason. And so I got completely erased and then it's now, I'm like, Instagram, all of 'em, to keep me down, so I gotta move over to Rumble. But, so, in doing that I realized that, and I was doing consultations with people and I could, if I do consultations, that's all I do, and I'm only gonna get, what, six people a day.

So, now what I thought is I have a CFC Group. A CFC group. So, everybody with CFCs. And then I have a second group as a Parasite Group. And then the third group is the Health and Healing. So, the Health and Healing is the basic one. So for people who just wanna know, and we are, the topics we talk about is everything from fasting to sleeping to the immune enhancement of a good vacation and whatever.

And what I do there is I have weekly Zoom conferences with everybody where I, where I talk about one particular subject for a half hour and then I open it up to questions. It's just an ability to talk, do that. Then the Parasite Group, we do the same thing, but if you have the, if you're in the Parasite Group, you all automatically have access to the Health and Healing Group.

And then if you're in the CFC Group, you automatically have access to the Parasite and the other two. So, it's just a way of me getting more, I kinda, dividing. 'Cause a lot of times when I'm answering questions, I just wanted to keep, let's devote this one to CFCs. Let's devote this one to Para, Parasites. So, it's just a way of doing that. It's called the Inner circle. Yeah. 

Conclusion and Upcoming Events

Sylvie Beljanski: Sounds great. Sounds like a lot of education. Thank you so very much, Dr. Lodi. We look very much forward seeing you in Austin, Texas April 25-27 at The Beljanski Integrative Cancer Conference. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah. I'm really excited too.

I just, I hope that I hope that our, the US stays safe enough to come back. 

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah, absolutely. Texas will be safe. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Yeah. And yeah, Texas is strong.

Sylvie Beljanski: Texas will be safe.

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Alright, good. I, yeah, I'm looking forward to being there. And last year was fantastic. It was amazing.

It was the first, first one, and it was just amazing. I've never seen a conference in its first year be like, that was like a conference that's been around for years, right? It had that kind of attendance and that kind of energy and all that. So, it was, it's gonna only, you're starting like at a higher level, so in a few years it's gonna be way up there.

Sylvie Beljanski: We are looking, yes, to make a great one and everybody will have a lot of good time and learn a lot. 

Dr. Thomas Lodi: Alright. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Sylvie Beljanski: Thank you.

Victor Dwyer: Yes. Thank you everyone that has listened so far. This is The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show and we'll catch you next time.



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