Episode 8: The Most Forgotten Root Cause of Cancer with Megan Van Zyl, PhD Hon, MA, NTP

In this episode of The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show titled 'The Most Forgotten Root Cause of Cancer,' we meet Megan Van Zyl, the founder of Cancer Peace University. Megan shares her mission to alleviate the fear of cancer through addressing both the emotional and physical roots of the disease.

Emphasizing the significance of understanding trauma and its impact on mental and physical health, she sheds light on how unresolved childhood traumas can manifest into illnesses like cancer. Megan outlines her holistic approach, which includes dietary changes, emotional intelligence, and energetic healing techniques.

The episode delves into practical methods for processing trauma and improving emotional intelligence and discusses the limitations of traditional talk therapy. Megan also touches on the importance of not rushing into radical treatments post-diagnosis and the need for better integration of emotional care in cancer treatment.
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Chapters

• 1:02 Introduction to Trauma and Therapy
• 2:04 Meet Megan Van Zyl
• 4:14 The Role of Childhood Trauma
• 5:49 Neuroplasticity and Emotional Healing
• 6:52 Why Some People Process Trauma Differently
• 8:47 Case Study: The Impact of Unresolved Trauma
• 11:41 Actionable Steps for Emotional Processing
• 13:55 Dr. Hamer's Research on Trauma and Cancer
• 24:43 The Importance of Emotional Intelligence
• 33:30 Megan's Approach to Cancer Therapy
• 40:03 Conclusion and Contact Information

Transcript

Introduction to Trauma and Therapy

Megan Van Zyl: Honestly, with trauma, talk therapy has been shown to be ineffective. With psychology, we have to base our strategies based on the research of how we're wired to have healthy psychology.

Victor Dwyer: Hey everyone, welcome to today's episode of The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show. In today's episode titled ‘The Most Forgotten Root Cause of Cancer,’ we're honored to introduce Megan Van Zyl, the visionary behind Cancer Peace University. Megan's mission is clear, to free you from the fear of cancer. With an honorary doctorate and a master's degree, she is uniquely equipped to address both the emotional and physical roots of cancer.

Megan supports cancer clients with lifestyle changes, education, and holistic training for practitioners. Join us as we explore her transformational work and exploring the vision of the world without the fear of cancer.

Victor Dwyer:  Megan, thank you so much for joining with us. Please give the audience a little intro of who you are and how you got started in all this.

Meet Megan Van Zyl

Megan Van Zyl: Thank you. I really appreciate having me on this podcast. I met Sylvie last fall at the first annual Beljanski Conference, which I loved. And so I've just been so just enamored with the work of The Beljanski Foundation and believe that it's significant and important. And so my name is Megan Van Zyl and I'm a nutritional therapist and I founded Cancer Peace University.

And it is our goal to set people free from the fear of cancer. I work with cancer patients on dietary changes, on how to support during treatments. But also, one of my biggest passions is to help cancer patients both understand why they develop cancer, and dig into the deeper roots causes of their diagnosis, emotionally, energetically. Sometimes after a diagnosis, cancer patients realize that they have unresolved trauma or just work to do deeper from childhood.

And they don't always know what to do. And so we offer the knowledge and application of how to move through that in a very positive way. 

Victor Dwyer: Yeah, I totally agree. And can you get a little bit into the why, what are the deeper roots of what causes the cancer on a nutritional or maybe psychological level from your experience?

Megan Van Zyl: Yeah, that's a, that's a good question that can be looked at from many different angles. And everyone seems to have nuances of why cancer has had the opportunity to grow unabated without the immune system involvement. But many times, cancer patients are really in a place of frustration prior to a diagnosis.

Sometimes they've been in stagnant job that they've hated for years or relationship that has caused a lot of pain. And some have been through significant trauma that they've tried to resolve for years through traditional talk therapy without any resolve.

The Role of Childhood Trauma

And what we try to do at Cancer Peace University is help cancer patients really understand that, when you have a trauma or even a micro trauma from childhood, it, it wires your brain a certain way. So, your subconscious mind carries your belief system from womb to seven. And it doesn't have to be that you had the worst childhood ever, and you had this major trauma where someone died or you're abducted or abused.

It actually can be a very simple moment of an imprint in a belief system that shifts your perspective and trajectory of how you express or you don't express your personality. And so what we try to look at is what has contributed to your cancer diagnosis through your childhood. What are those vivid memories that carry a lot of intensity or sensitivity, or things that you weren't able to process as a child because you did not have the emotional intelligence and the connection between the right brain and left brain.

And it's basically the job, after you're fully formed and developed, which your brain isn't fully developed until 25, our job is to really rework our childhood by redesigning those vivid memories, and reacquainting ourselves with our childhood from a different perspective and releasing emotions, but people don't know how to do that and don't know the research.

Neuroplasticity and Emotional Healing

There's a lot of research on neuroplasticity and neuroplasticity is the reality that your mind is a muscle that can be exercised. And when you exercise your mind to connect it both consciously, subconsciously, you innervate the brain to be able to access the deeper truths of how you're operating. And we're not just going over it by positive thinking, but we're getting to the real reason why you have certain emotions that come up on a regular basis. And that's just the beginning. 

Sylvie Beljanski: When we look back, I mean, all of us, we can find some trauma in our childhood or adolescence.

I mean, everybody has survived some kind of trauma. However, not everybody will be marked and kind of wounded as an adult because of that.

Why Some People Process Trauma Differently

So, in your view, why do some people process that, the trauma, more easily than others? And some will, will never be able to go beyond this wound, or this wound will stay with them as an adult.

And others will, eh, it's old, and you must forget about it. 

Megan Van Zyl: Yes, That's a great question, Sylvie. Because it is true that we've all had trauma, and we would all have cancer if it was just trauma based, but it is the reality that some people are better equipped and better able to move through a trauma than others.

And some of it is how you're raised, how you're, how your family expresses emotion. It, are your parents actively helping you connect with your emotion? Or, even as a child with childhood psychology, it's important for the mother and father to see how the child is responding emotionally and give language to it and say, ‘Oh, you look very frustrated. You look angry. You look disappointed.’ 

So, you're actually training the child to have emotional intelligence at a very young age and you're co-nurturing their emotions. So there's a, there's a little bit of a misnomer with self soothing. Children cannot self soothe. They actually need to be co-nurtured in their emotions where their emotional regulation is dependent upon their parent.

And so, unfortunately, we have a lot of parents that have a hard time regulating their own emotions. And so then their child is picking up on their parents’ emotional dysregulation, and their parents’ inability to express emotions in a helpful way. And they're taking on those emotions as their own, or they go through something and they don't find an open space to talk about it with their parents.

Case Study: The Impact of Unresolved Trauma

So, I had a client diagnosed with adenocarcinoma and when he was going through some of our curriculum, he was just asking himself. He was in prayer. He was just having this moment of ‘Why did it develop cancer emotionally?’ And he had this memory come up when he was a child, and it was a very simple memory.

Definitely not traumatic, on, if you were to scale it, in any way. It was basically just him trying to impress a girl, and he tried to tell a joke. The girl rejected him, thought he wasn't funny, and he felt very self conscious. He felt rejected. And he went very internal. He didn't talk about it with his parents. He didn't express it. 

He remembered for three days, he just like stewed on it and it, internally, he just came to these conclusions that he was not funny, not, not cool. He didn't want to feel rejected again. So, he shifted his personality, started to be more quiet, less expressive. And the biggest thing with that is if he would have just talked it through with his parents or had a space to open up, that probably wouldn't have happened.

And so he said it totally changed the way he related to the point where he could see in his marriage. He had really become an emotional cushion for his wife and all the expression is about her getting her needs met, allowing her to have freedom of expression. And he was just suppressing his emotions, keeping himself under the radar, but it was really still affecting him.

And he had to go back to that memory, rework it, do some forgiveness, work on that memory, and then actually make changes in his marriage. But that was what he needed. And it was with a significant shift that he needed emotionally

Actionable Steps for Emotional Processing

Victor Dwyer: What would be the biggest, what would be the biggest thing that you would recommend that people do to prevent that in the future.

Would it be to like open communication to, like, digest it? Like what would be like an actionable step that people can start doing to actually process their emotions in your opinion? 

Megan Van Zyl: Yeah, there's lots of steps that can be taken and some people are going to cringe when I mention this or talk about it, but it really made a difference for me when I first grew in emotional intelligence, because I did not grow up in a family where we were just talking freely about our emotions and everyone is just like expressive.

That wasn't something that my parents were equipped with. It wasn't anything on purpose. It was just more general, a generational gap. And so when I was in mid-twenties, I had a lot of foggy thinking a, lot of my brain wasn't very organized. That's a good way of saying it. If you feel like your brain is not organized, it's hard to follow from thought to thought or to connect to your emotions and you're just blindsided by your own emotional response to things.

Then you need to do some deeper work. And the first step is journaling. I recommend free association journaling because that's what I did. I just would dump my thoughts on a piece of paper for like half an hour to 45 minutes. And once I would dump all my thoughts, I eventually would find the emotion. And then I would be in Starbucks on a plushy purple chair, listening to Enya.

And I would inevitably start just sobbing, crying. But I was developing my awareness and organizing my brain, and that took a process of several years, actually, to develop that organization in my brain. And now I don't need to journal. I actually don't journal anymore because it just, like, automatically happens, which is, is nice.

But some people, they need to start by really doing the deeper work, deep thinking and deep journaling. 

Dr. Hamer's Research on Trauma and Cancer

Sylvie Beljanski: Dr. Hamer, who was quite well known in Europe to develop, one of the first doctors to develop the association between trauma and cancer developed like 30, 40 years ago, I believe, kind of map between I mean, the, the, the kind of trauma that was exercised and the location of the cancer that may happen in the months following the trauma.

In your experience, is it something that you have also observed that some kind of specific trauma about, for example, something femininity, a breakup experience by a woman would lead to breast cancer or ovarian cancer or, I mean, famously in the case of Dr. Hamer, it was a loss of his son that led, he believes, to developing testicular cancer.

And from there, he made the link between the kind of emotions and the location of, of cancer. Is it something that you have observed in the number of cancer patients you have been dealing with? 

Megan Van Zyl: Yes, yeah, and I'm glad you bring up Dr. Hamer because he really laid an amazing foundation for our understanding of the link to trauma and emotions and cancer. And it was so incredible to learn about his process because he, he was actually able to read a CT scan of the brain and diagnose someone based on where he saw the conflict shock expressing. He believed that in the brain that, the, what he would find in the brain was you would find edema, swelling, and just dam, almost like brain damage in the area where the trauma impacted the brain.

And it does make a lot of sense because after trauma, different parts of the brain tend to shut down. Your brain actually totally changes after trauma where there's even an area in the brain… 

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah, even an emotional trauma. Yeah, absolutely.

Megan Van Zyl: Yup, yup. There's an area in the brain, the Broca Center. The Broca Center tends to shut down after trauma, which is actually the same area that breaks down after a stroke.

And this is why there can be a speechlessness involved in trauma where you actually can't talk about the trauma. Your trauma does not have a cohesive story of a beginning, middle, and end of the story. You just have these intensified impressions and emotions that are almost just visceral in your body.

My son, Noble Thomas died during labor and delivery in 2016, and my brain was just a totally different thing after the trauma. I could not remember things. I had this hyper response when my phone would ring. And I've struggled to find purpose and meaning because of that Broca area being shut down. I had a hard time talking about it.

But going back to your question about Dr. Hamer, it is very interesting that it does seem that the cancer seems to settle in a way where it's connected to the emotional center in the brain that was affected by the trauma. I remember working with a client with uterine cancer, and she said she was the healthiest person out of all of her friends.

Everyone was shocked that she had cancer. She exercised. She ate really well. She was not eating processed food or sugar or gluten or even dairy. Her diet was essentially really clean and healthy. But when we started talking and she started working with me, she was delaying a hysterectomy because she was young and didn't want to go through a radical surgery.

We realized that the, that she had been, she was date raped when she was 17 years old. She thought she had resolved that trauma, but then after her diagnosis, she started to feel the same emotions of resentment, bitterness, hatred towards the perpetrator, the person who raped her. And she realized it was not resolved, that she had just covered the surface of it.

So, we went through a process together over several sessions of really resolving the trauma, really addressing those memories that carried those toxic emotions and moving her through a process of release. It wasn't talk therapy. It wasn't just talking about it and letting her have space.

It was, there's actually ways to allow the expression to shift energetically, and remove, remove the trauma. Yes. And so it was awesome that she processed it to the point where one session she went home and she was throwing up. And I was like, ‘Well, that means something's shifting physically.’ And then a few weeks later, her scan was clear.

She had no uterine cancer, canceled her hysterectomy. Her doctor just chalked it up to a spontaneous remission, but it was trauma related. So, it was, so usually with the women, the female cancers, whether it be ovarian, uterine, there's usually some sort of boundary issue or it could even be abuse or rape or molestation as a child.

Like clients with ovarian cancer have stories of just horrific stuff in their childhood, of being molested. With breast cancer, it's usually a separation conflict. So, I find usually there's a major relational separation either loss or perceived loss of a relationship. So, sometimes it's even just a relationship conflict that cannot be resolved because the person has a hard time resolving that.

Sylvie Beljanski: So, that's very far away from you know, doctor recommending just chemotherapy and then you are going to go for a round of radiotherapy. So, what would you say is the biggest oversight or mistakes that doctors are doing when helping patients with, with cancer? 

Megan Van Zyl: Yeah, I think that one of the biggest oversights is just rushing someone into radical interventions when they have a slow growing tumor or they, they have some time.

Because what happens is when someone is diagnosed, they have the shock of the diagnosis. Then they go through a process of denial. And they're rushed into surgery or chemotherapy or radiation right away. They don't even have a time to process the diagnosis. And then you have compiling trauma. So, you have the trauma of the diagnosis and then whatever unresolved trauma is related to the diagnosis.

The compiling trauma just causes someone to be in fight or flight mode and they're in survival mode and they're thinking they could die from the cancer or die from the treatment and, emotionally, it's a disaster because nothing is processed and I have people that literally don't cry until after they're done with treatment and they have like a robotic sense and, eventually, they just collapse and finally start connecting with their emotions and, at that point you're completely under a lot of challenges with side effects and then your body, you’re losing some ability to have optimal health.

You have a lot of side effects from the treatments themselves, and then that causes a hard, that brings it to a point where it's very hard to process emotions in a deep way because you just, you don't feel well, you have brain fog or you, so it just come, everything compiles. And so I just, I think that there's a better way to do it. I don't know exactly what it is ‘cause some people, in their diagnosis, they may need chemotherapy, they may need radiation, they may need surgery. But I think the rushing someone into something, not giving them space to properly process, and not having the tools to look deeper is, is a very challenging situation for a lot of cancer patients.

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah, actually, I believe it's another additional layer of trauma. I mean, the diagnosis and then rushing to a treatment and then they feel overwhelmed and they don't know, yeah, they feel overwhelmed and they are losing control of their lives and that's not, I mean, beneficial feeling, helping them to recover to the opposite.

Megan Van Zyl: No

Sylvie Beljanski: And do you, do you think that's because, I mean, doctors are themselves into a kind of machine where they have to, to, to, to, to sell treatments, actually, or do they simply ignore the research? Because there is a lot of research with regard to the effect of trauma on our health. Can you tell us about this research?

Megan Van Zyl: Yes, and I would love to tell you about the research. 

The Importance of Emotional Intelligence

Megan Van Zyl: I do think doctors are in a hard position. I think that they're a part of a system that's very hard to undo.

They, they have so many patients. They don't have enough time to give appropriate care because they have, they're pressured with too, many too many patients, not enough time. And they don't have the right balance to dive into more than the research. And, and so when we look at some of the research in terms of emotional roots to cancer, it's very interesting.

The work of Dr. Hamer provides a great foundation. There's also a study that was done in the 1980s, looking at the multiple myeloma, multiple melanoma, and what they found was the Type C personality. So, when they were doing some physiological tasks on cancer patients, when there's a triggering phrase or triggering image, They were really monitoring if there was a stress response to the phrase, if they were being triggered psychologically.

And the interesting thing when they compared cancer patients to those with heart disease and those with no disease is that those with cancer, what would happen is they would have a triggering, their body would go into fight or flight. There would be a stress response. Their heart rate would increase, and the researcher would say ‘How is that image affecting you? How do you feel?’ And they would say ‘I feel fine,’ and they would have no way of connecting with the stress response in their body.

Either they were ignoring it, denying it, or they were just in a pattern of suppressing emotions and, so, a lot of cancer patients that I work with need to grow an emotional intelligence. They don't have the tools or they haven't developed the tools or they grew up in a home where parents would say things like ‘Boys don't cry’ or ‘You're a big girl, you don't need to cry anymore.’

Things like that, and you learn to suppress, you learn to squash your emotions. Or, they, they're, sometimes people are highly sensitive, so cancer patients can also be very empathetic and compassionate based on that study. They found that cancer patients tended to be more caring, concerned about people, but then they carried people's burdens or they had so much deep emotions about things that they couldn't even process the depth of their emotions.

And some of the research, when we look at the patterns of bitterness, resentment, hatred, those toxic, really toxic cancer emotions. The research and looking at psychoneuroimmunology, they found that when someone's in a state of fight or flight because of an emotional response like bitterness, anger, and hatred, they're releasing cortisol, adrenaline, noradrenaline, and when those stress hormones are being released, the natural killer cells of the immune system are glued to the blood vessel lining passive, like ‘We're not doing anything. We're just glued and passive.’

And so it's suppressing and stopping an immune system response when you're in fight or flight. And most people think about fight or flight when they think about a car accident or a physical injury, but they don't realize that, if you have unresolved trauma, or if you're in a place of bitterness or resentment, you are triggering that stress response, day in and day out and you are suppressing your immune system.

Victor Dwyer: Yeah. that makes a lot of sense. And what I wanted to ask is what actual advice would you give to someone to, so let's say, let's say I have a trauma in my past, a hidden trauma that I don't know that's there. What are your ways to uncover that trauma that are there that are potentially causing cancer that I don't know about?

What would you, what would, what would be your advice there? 

Megan Van Zyl: Yeah, so that's a good question. So it's, it's common that cancer patients may not have awareness. Partly, it is because of the Type C personality, because of the tendency to suppress emotions. And so cancer patients do need to grow in emotional intelligence, which is a simple skill that becomes more complicated to learn as an adult because your emotions become even more diverse and more challenging, too.

It's easier as a child for me to talk to my five year old and say, ‘Oh, your face, you look disappointed. You look sad,’ and talk through those emotions ‘cause that's setting the stage for him to develop his own emotional intelligence. But when you're, as an adult, and you feel there might be something deeper, but you're not fully aware, there's strategies to work on connecting the conscious mind of the subconscious mind.

Now, research has shown that deep thinking by itself and the journaling process I mentioned can start connecting your conscious to your subconscious mind. When I started doing the free association journaling, sometimes I would have a memory come up that I was not thinking of, not aware of, and I was like, ‘Oh, this is related to the emotion I'm feeling.’

And then I was able to rework that memory. I call it redesigning that memory. So, that's one strategy. Meditation, so learning, meditation can be hard for people if they've never done it before, but learning how to meditate on a phrase, and calm your mind down from just running, running, running to a meditative state, a more theta state of mind will help access the beliefs and the memories in your subconscious mind.

So, finding a very simple phrase. I like simple phrases. Like, I had a client one time just focus on a simple phrase, ‘God is love.’ Just focus on ‘God is love.’ and just try to have that be the only thing you think about for, like, 10 minutes. And that can be hard. Sometimes you have to start with two minutes, but just like a very simple, and you're just trying to shut down the fight or flight movement, like.

Dr. Lodi, I interviewed him in the summit as well, and he had a great perspective on, he said ‘We have to figure out how to get into the now, so we're not in the past, we're not in the future. We're in the now,’ and he, he says it like this. He says, ‘God is in the now,’ and we're like almost never there.

But meditation is about figuring out how to be present. Kids just do it naturally. They're just naturally present, but we need to relearn how to do that, and part of it is we're relearning how to operate more out of our right brain. So often we become adults and we're like all left brain - logic, analytical, and we try to avoid the right brain, but we want to actually connect the left brain and the right brain.

So, creative processes. So, with trauma therapies, they talk about, there's, you can do the top down processing of trauma, which is the deep thinking, journaling, meditation, redesigning memories or you can do the bottom up.

So, bottom up is if you're really in a state of shock and trauma and you have no way of processing it or giving language to it, you need to do movement, movement like dance, massage, rhythm. They, actually, it was pretty incredible, some of the research, but they've looked at different cultures that have been affected by war and affected by child soldier, soldiers, and just really intense, crazy stuff, and they started to do forums and then they would do community, musical expression and community dance as a healing process as a way to really ex, basically center yourself.

When you're doing movement, you're actually telling your body, ‘I'm safe. I survived the trauma. I'm alive,’ and you're recentering your nervous system. So, so that is something that can really help. For, for adolescents and children they also need movement. So, sports can actually be helpful when someone doesn't have emotional intelligence to express something, sports can naturally express something.

For adolescents, it might be theater or drama. Maybe they need to be in a position where they're expressing someone else's emotions, but it's like a metaphor that's helping them express their emotions. So, those are some of my thoughts or ideas. 

Megan's Approach to Cancer Therapy

Sylvie Beljanski: So, can you walk us through, for example, you get a new client, what, what, how do you work with a new client? How do you welcome him or her and dive into the, the ways to help the new client and, and advise him or her? 

Megan Van Zyl: See, that's a great question. So I. try to listen and find out where they are. So, I find, cancer patients come to me and I can tell if they're maybe very emotional intelligent, they already have the tools, they know what to do. They just need some practical guidance.

And then sometimes people come to me and they, they really need more, more tools. They need more understanding. So, over the last decade, I've developed more curriculum support for that type of cancer patients. So, I have videos that they'll watch. My program is called, the program within Cancer Peace University for my video curriculum is called ‘Root Causes Revealed.’

And the Root Causes Revealed program just helps look at all the different angles of what is cancer, physically, emotionally, energetically, and they can have a better understanding of what is cancer emotionally. What is cancer based on quantum healing frequencies and the work of Dr. Royal Rife, and Rife technology, but also the frequency that your beliefs and your emotions give off in the body and how that hinders a healing process in the energetic channels in your body.

And sometimes people just need that knowledge to have more of the clarity of understanding of why this is important. It's the same thing with diet and lifestyle. If a cancer patient doesn't understand why the diet, why what they eat and what supplements they're taking is going to help them, then they have no buy in.

So, they're not going to, they're not going to do it. They're not going to follow through with it. So, so some, I found that I really needed to have a path of education. So, a lot of it is starting with, ‘Okay, your commitment to yourself is going through this learning process and allowing yourself to learn new tools, learn new ways of coping with stress, learn new ways to process emotions.’

And then my books, so I'll have the cancer patients walk through my books ‘Braving The Storm’ book and workbook I wrote during the pandemic, 2020. I know there was a lot of pandemic books at that time, but my pandemic book is Braving The Storm, and that's where I really share what is cancer emotionally, and then my workbook really helps the cancer patient have a guided process, guided journaling, guided meditation, it really helps them learn things that they may have never learned before. 

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah. I have to say that I looked also at your book and also at the companion book and I have really to commend you for the, the way all those exercises are presented and it's very accessible to, to everybody, I think. And even if, I mean, you are not concerned with cancer, I think it's this introspection and self awareness can only be beneficial to all.

And maybe who knows, I mean, help you to, to avert a cancer that could have come down the road. 

Megan Van Zyl: Yes. Yeah. Thank you, Sylvie. I really appreciate that. And I put a lot of love and passion into that process and it actually came after working with cancer patients for over eight years, and I realized that I was hitting a wall with some cancer patients and couldn't get anywhere on a one-on-one session because they hadn't, they didn't have the tools and they weren't working on it on their own. They didn't develop emotional intelligence.

I can't help you create emotional intelligence unless you're engaging in the process on your own. And, so, I really learned that I needed to have more resources for cancer patients because I, I was not the solution. I, I had the knowledge, but I had to get the knowledge to the cancer patient to empower them in a process that, that they needed to understand, believe in, and then know what to do.

Sylvie Beljanski: Yeah, I think it goes beyond, what you're doing goes beyond cancer patients. I think it has a potential to be beneficial to everybody. As you said at the beginning of this interview, I mean, we are not learning at school how to process our emotions. And what you are doing in this very simple way, helping people to get in touch with their emotions without the intimidating and costly, costly cost of starting a psychotherapy, for example.

Megan Van Zyl: Yes, and I actually think that some people need to do some of this work before finding the right therapist because sometimes you show up for therapy and you don't always know how to approach it or what to talk about, or you don't have the depth of connection. And honestly, with trauma, talk therapy has been shown to be ineffective, and a lot of people that come to me, they say, ‘Oh, I've been in therapy for 20 years.’

And then I asked them what type of therapy and they're talking, ‘Oh, talk therapy, would just show up every week and talk about how I was feeling.’ And really no, no neuroplastic learning or neuroplastic exercises related to positive plasticity which, we know, that so many things in mainstream world is completely not founded and researched. I mean, your research founded, your, about The Beljanski Foundation is based on research.

Well, for me with psychology, we have to base our strategies based on the research of how we're wired to have healthy psychology. And when you're going through a modality of psychotherapy, that is simply not connected to any basis of research, of understanding of how we're wired for optimal psychology, it's not going to have an effect. It's not going to be positive or beneficial. It can actually retraumatize someone to simply talk about trauma every time and not have a place to resolve it. 

Victor Dwyer: Yeah. That's amazing.

Conclusion and Contact Information

Victor Dwyer: Megan, please tell the audience how to find you and how to get in touch with you.

Sylvie Beljanski: Can you show us your book? 

Megan Van Zyl: Oh, sure. You know what? I think I ran out of, I ran out of my book. I ran out of it. 

Victor Dwyer: So many people kept grabbing it. So many people were taking it and they were like, that's a great, that's great!

Megan Van Zyl: Sometimes I have a big stack and then sometimes they're just gone. 

Victor Dwyer: Well, awesome. Megan, please tell the audience how to find you and how to get your book and everything else like that. 

Megan Van Zyl: Yeah. Awesome. So my website is www.cancerpeaceuniversity.com. And my email is cancerpeace, P E A C E, university at gmail dot com, and we're really focusing on giving cancer patients support through our curriculum right now, and our ‘Root Causes Revealed’ course, and our workshop, ‘The 3 Step Cancer Solution.’

So, if you're just wanting any of the resources that I mentioned, and you're wanting to just take that next step for yourself, you can always reach out. And I'd love to find a way to support you. 

Victor Dwyer: Awesome. Well, Megan, thank you so much for joining. That's all we have time for today. And thank you everyone for, that did get this far, audience wise. Thank you so much, if you did watch this far. This is The Beljanski Cancer Talk Show. And we'll catch you next time. Thanks, guys!